Petrus Project
  • The Petrus Project
  • The Plan
  • The Team
  • The Authors
    • Peter the Venerable
    • Peter of Poitiers
    • Radulf of Sully
    • Richard of Poitiers
    • Bernard of Cluny
    • Radulf Tortarius
  • The Texts
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  • Miracle Stories
    • Two Books on Miracles
      • Book I, Prologue
      • 1.1 A miraculous arrival in the county of Auvergne
      • 1.2 About the priest who unworthily celebrated the divine mysteries
      • 1.3 About he who could not swallow the body of Christ before he confessed himself
      • 1.4 About the death of a certain brother and his confession at the end of his life
      • 1.5 . About another brother false in his confession
      • 1.6 About one who was freed from the devil by a true confession
      • 1.7 How demons were put to flight by holy water
      • 1.8 About Gerard, a monk of pure and simple life
      • 1.9 About notable things which happened in and around Cluny
      • 1.10 About the miraculous apparition of Stephen, called, “the White”
      • 1.11 About a similar apparition of Bernard Grossus
      • 1.12 With so much envy the devil has always raged against Cluny
      • 1.13 About the brother whom [the devil] wished to deceive in the guise of an abbot.
      • 1.14 About the brother who heard demons boasting about their shameful acts.
      • 1.15 The story the Blessed Hugh narrated in chapter at Christmas Vigil.
      • 1.16 About the brother who saw demons processing as if monks
      • 1.17 About the old monk Alger
      • 1.18 About Armannus the novice, whom the devil terrified in the guise of a bear
      • 1.19 About the angel of the Lord who showed the place where the brothers uncovered Christ's cross
      • 1.20 About the dawdling brother Benedict, who saw a crowd of men dressed in white.
      • 1.21 About Turquillus, prior of the sisters of Marcigny
      • 1.22 The miracle which happened at this same monastery of Marcigny.
      • 1.23 About the dead knight who appeared three times to a certain priest
      • 1.24 About Guido, the bishop of Geneva [Guy of Faucigny]
      • 1.25 About a certain priest who died a terrible death.
      • 1.26 About Geoffrey III, the lord of Semur-en-Brionnais.
      • 1.27 About the dead knight who appeared to Humbert of Beaujeu
      • 1.28 Another chapter about an apparition in Spain.
      • Book II. Prologue
      • 2.1 About the oppressor of the church who was seen taken by the devil
      • 2.2 How someone buried alive, was fed by angel due to the masses and prayers of the Church
      • 2.3 An apology why in his narration, the writer of these deeds cannot retain their time and order
      • 2.4 About the good birth and adolescence of the Lord Matthew, Bishop of Albano.
      • 2.5 How he cleaved to the Venerable Ralph of Rheims, afterwards the Archbishop.
      • 2.6 So greatly desiring the monastic life, he abandoned ecclesiastical honours.
      • 2.7 Choosing Cluny due to the great reputation of its customs, he took the habit of a novice at SMdC
      • 2.8 How he conducted himself before God during his priory
      • 2.9 How he acted with his subordinates
      • 2.10 How he proved to be, both to those near and far
      • 2.11 How he maintained order most strictly when he was summoned by abbot Peter to Cluny
      • 2.12 Concerning the Cluniac schism fuelled by Pontius who had been abbot.
      • 2.13 On the end of the Cluniac scandal and the wisdom of the Lord Matthew.
      • 2.14 How he took up the bishopric of Albano and how he maintained holiness within himself
      • 2.15 How he prohibited that moneys be exchanged by Jews, when he was still a prior
      • 2.16 About the Schism of the Roman Church and how he virtuously defended the Catholic Side.
      • 2.17 About his glorious death accompanied by miraculous signs.
      • 2.18 About the vision which the prior of Saint Zenon saw about him
      • 2.19 About the vision of another brother
      • 2.20 How he put demons to flight with the sign of the cross and about his untiring devotion
      • 2.21 About the revelations shown to him before death and about the glory which he said awaiting him
      • 2.22 How he passed from this world at the light of dawn on the holy and glorious day of Our Lord
      • 2.23 The services celebrated for him and the honourable gathering in the Basilica of Saint Fridian
      • 2.24 About a certain evil monk who died most wickedly
      • 2.25 About the vision which I myself saw when staying in Rome
      • 2.26 About the vision of Brother Enguizo
      • 2.27 About the Statutes of the Carthusian monks
      • 2.28 About a certain Carthusian brother
      • 2.29 Another chapter on the same topic [the Carthusians]
      • 2.30 About the miracle of the Roman Candles in the Church of the Mother of God
      • 2.31 About the miraculous vision of a certain boy keeping vigil
      • 2.32 About a certain boy at Silvigny brought back to life by Saint Maiolus
      • 2.33 About the false confession of a certain brother
    • Life of Raingarde
    • Life of Peter the Venerable
  • Letters
    • The Letter Collection
      • Prefatory Epistle
      • Prefatory Epistle (more complete?)
      • 1. To Pope Innocent (1137)
      • 2. To Matthew of Albano (1134/35)
      • 3. to the Lord Chancellor Haimeric (1123/41, likely 1137)
      • 4. to Hugh, Archbishop of Rouen (1130/8)
      • 5. To Hato, Bishop of Troyes (1122/46)
      • 6. To the same (Hato) (1122/46)
      • 7. To the same (Hato) (1134)
      • 8. To Stephen, a priest skilled in the law (1125/6)
      • 9. To Peter, the schoolmaster
      • 10. To the same (Peter)
      • 11. To Pope Innocent II (1136/37)
      • 12. To William, Bishop of Embrum (1122/41)
      • 13. To Odo, the abbot of Saint-Lucien de Beauvais
      • 14. To Theodard, Prior of La Charité
      • 15. to Adela, Countess of Blois
      • 17. to Pope Innocent (1133/34)
      • 18. to Hato (1122/46)
      • 19. to Dulcianus of Montpellier, learned in the Law
      • 20. to the servant of God, Giselbert the hermit of Silvigny(?)
      • 21. to Pope Innocent (1138)
      • 22. to Hato, bishop of Troyes (1128/46)
      • 23. to Pope Innocent (1132/36)
      • 24.
      • 25.
      • 26. To his son beloved in Christ, Peter of Poitiers
      • 27.
      • 28. To Bernard, Abbot of Clairvaux (c. 1127)
      • 29. to Bernard Abbot of Clairvaux (1138)
      • 32. to Pope Innocent (1135/43)
      • 33. to Pope Innocent (1132/40)
      • 34. To the Lord Chancellor Haimeric (1132/40)
      • 35. to the abbots of the Cistercian Order (1132/40)
      • 36. to the same (1133/40)
      • 37. To a certain heretic
      • 38. to Peter, the Archbishop of Lyons (1131/ 9)
      • 39. To Pope Innocent (1133)
      • 40. to Gilo the Schismatic (1130/4)
      • 42. a response of Lord Peter to Prior Theodard (1132/36)
      • 43. Again, to Prior Theodard of La Charité-sur-Loire (1130/9)
      • 44. to King Sigard I of Norway (1122/30)
      • 45. to the Brothers of St. Andrew of Northampton, about their Copyist Thomas
      • 47. to Matthew of Albano (1131/5, likely 1134)
      • 48. to the Carthusians, in consolation of their dead brothers (1122/37)
      • 49. To Henry, the Bishop of Winchester (1131)
      • 50. To Stephen, a Cleric of Lyons (1132/36)
      • 51. To the Knight Hugh Catula
      • 53. Again to his Brothers, in Epitaph of his mother (1135)
      • 55. to Henry, the Bishop of Winchester (1131/56)
      • 56. To the same (1135)
      • 58. To this son, beloved in Christ, Peter of Poitiers
      • 59. to Henry, bishop of Winchester (1134/35)
      • 60. to the same (1136)
      • 65. to Bernard, abbot of Clairvaux (1137)
      • 66 To Gilo the Schismatic (1138)
      • 67. to William, the Bishop of Orange (1130/41)
      • 68. To Count Amedaeus.
      • 69. to Hato, the Bishop of Troyes (1138)
      • 71. The Response of Bishop Hato to him (1138)
      • 74. The Response of Abbot Bernard to Peter, the Abbot of Cluny (1138)
      • 75. to John Comnenus, Emperor of Constantinople (likely 1138/9)
      • 76. to the Patriarch of Constantinople
      • 78. A Letter from Godfrey, the Bishop of Châlons-sur-Marne to Peter, the Abbot of Cluny (1131/43)
      • 79. A response of Peter to him (1131/43)
      • 80. to the brothers at Mont Thabor
      • 81. To Hato, the Bishop of Troyes (1122/46)
      • 82. to the King of Jerusalem
      • 83. to the Patriarch of Jerusalem
      • 85. A Letter from Hato, Bishop of Troyes to the above Peter (1141)
      • 86. the Response of Abbot Peter to the Bishop Hato (1141)
      • 88. to Henry, Bishop of Winchester (1129/56)
      • 89. to Albero, Bishop of Liège (1136/45)
      • 90. to King Roger of Siciliy (1139/41)
      • 91. To Pontius, Abbot of Vézelay (1138/56)
      • 94. to the monk Gregory
      • 95. To Hato, Bishop of Troyes (1141)
      • 96. the Response of Bishop Hato to him (1141)
      • 97. to Pope Innocent
      • 98. to the same (1140)
      • 99. Again to Pope Innocent
      • 100. to the Clerics of Lyons (1141)
      • 101. to Pope Innocent (1141)
      • 102. to Milo I, bishop of Thérouanne (1140)
      • 105. to Aimard, the Archbishop of Narbonne (1143)
      • 106. to Geoffrey, the Archbishop of Bordeaux (1143)
      • 108. to Guarinus, the Bishop of Amiens (1127/44)
      • 109. to Suger, the Abbot of Saint-Dénis (1130/51)
      • 110 from Abbot Bernard of Clairvaux to the Lord Abbot (1143/44)
      • 111 The Reply of the Lord Abbot to Bernard of Clairvaux (1144)
      • 112. to Pope Celestine (1143)
      • 115. to Abbess Eloise (1143/44)
      • 116. to the lord Pope Lucius
      • 118. to Pope Lucius (1144)
      • 120. To Rainard, Cisterican abbot. (1134/50)
      • 121. to Hato, the Bishop of Troyes (1145)
      • 123. A letter of Peter of Poitiers to Peter his abbot, then dwelling in the forest of Cluny
      • 124. The return letter of the Lord Peter the Abbot to the same
      • 125. The Return letters from some companions to Peter of Poitiers from the woods of Cluny.
      • 126. The Letter of Robert, a learned man and Master of Physic
      • 127. The Letter of Gislebert, a noble and literate youth
      • 128. The return letter of Peter of Poitiers to the Lord Abbot and his colleagues
      • 129. The letter of Peter, the lord Abbot, to this Peter.
      • 131. to king Roger of Sicily (1146)
      • 132. to the Carthusians (1137/43)
      • 134. To Theobald, Bishop of Paris (1146)
      • 135. To the Prior Odo and the Brothers of Saint-Martin-in-the-Fields (1147/50)
      • 136. To Geoffrey, the Cistercian abbot of Les Roches (1137/56)
      • 137. To Geoffrey, the Bishop of Chartres (1135/48)
      • 138. to Peter, Abbot of St. Augustine at Limoges (1137/56)
      • 139. To Stephan, formerly Archbishop of Vienne (1148)
      • 147. to Ademar II, abbot of Figeac
      • 148. From Bernard, Abbot of Clairvaux
      • 149 Reply of the Lord Abbot Peter (1149)
      • 150. Again to Bernard of Clairvaux (October 1149)
      • 151 to Nicholas of Clairvaux
      • 153 From Bernard of Clairvaux
      • Letter 158a (?)
      • 159. To the brothers at [St. Martial of] Limoges (1142?)
      • 161 (1148/52) To the Priors and Subpriors of Cluniac places.
      • 162. to the King of Sicily
      • 166. a Response of the Lord Abbot to him [Suger of Saint-Dénis] (1150)
      • 167. From Heloise to PV
      • 168. To Heloise.
      • 172. To Everard, Master of the Templars (1148/53)
      • 174. to Pope Eugenius (1145/33)
      • 181. to the abbot of Clairvaux (1151)
      • 183. to Philip the Prior of Clairvaux (March, 1151)
      • 184. to Galcher, the cellarer of Clairvaux (March, 1151)
      • 185. To his nieces
      • 186. To Basil, the Prior of the Carthusians (1151)
      • 192. to Lord Bernard, Abbot of Clairvaux (1152)
      • 193. To his Nicholas (1152)
    • Additional Letters
  • Legal Texts
    • Statutes
      • Bibliography
      • Summary
      • The Statutes of Peter the Venerable, Abbot of Cluny
      • Later Statutes
    • Managing Cluniac Accounts
    • Papal Bulls
      • Calixtus II's Papal Assent to the election of Peter the Venerable
      • Innocent II's approval of Peter the Venerable's ability to set statutes
      • Various partially translated charters
    • Charters
      • Latin charters (1122-56) from Bibliotheca Cluniacensis
  • Poems & Liturgy
    • In defence of Peter of Poitiers
    • A liturgical prose, in honour of the Mother of the Lord
    • Another liturgical prose in honour of the Mother of Our Lord
    • Hymn, in honour of Holy Mary Magdalene
    • Hymn about the Holy Father Benedict
    • Another Hymn about the translation and coming of this Father Benedict
    • A rhythmic verse on Saint Hugh, abbot of Cluny
    • A verse in honour of Count Eustache
    • A verse in epitaph of Prior Bernard
    • Verse in epitaph of Peter Abelard
    • Verse in epitaph of Rainald, Archbishop of Laon
    • A rhythmic verse, on the resurrection of our Lord
    • Rhythmic verse in praise of the Saviour.
  • Polemic
    • Bibliography
  • Peter of Poitiers
    • Letter to abbot Peter (Sicut precipere)
    • Panegyric in praise of Peter the Venerable
    • Letter to his critics
    • Against the Barbarian
    • Epitaph of Pope Gelasius II
    • Epitaph of Bishop Adefonso
    • Preface to Peter the Venerable's work against the Saracens
  • Richard of Poitiers
    • Chronica
    • Chronica - Dedicatory Epistle
    • BNF, n.a.l. 670 - Transcription (in progress)
  • Resources
    • A(n) Historiographical Note on Researching Twelfth-Century Cluny
    • Manuscript and Early Printed Sources
      • Paris, BNF, ms. latin 17716
      • Pierre de Montmartre, D. Petri venerabilis, ... Opera
      • Patrologia Latina
    • Digital Resources
    • Biographies
      • Giles Constable
      • Denise Bouthillier
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  2. The Letter Collection

43. Again, to Prior Theodard of La Charité-sur-Loire (1130/9)

The brother Peter, humble abbot of Cluny, to brother Theodard, tending to the inner parts of true charity, prior of La Charité, wishing for him to obtain the discretion of souls in the holy spirit.

You often write to me, beloved, and frequent messangers in turn, follow them, which you send to me with deprecations, so that I may absolve you of the care which I imposed on you, and according to what you said, so that I may permit you to serve gone without the burden of [another] occupation. You bring up the weakness of nature, the intemperance of age, the inconveniences of sicknesses. You say that the house entrusted to you, suffering such things, and not sufficing to the task, suffers many problems. You assert that I demand impossible things from you which I demand of myself and that I compell your shoulders to bear things which are unable to be born. I acknowledge your complaints, carried from the heart not by a raven but by a dove, and therefore I am neither moved by them, nor am I aroused to responding injuriously, as are accustomed to arise from such attacks which do not consider those things which are of God.I ask you only to turn away from those things about which I am about to talk. Which you are completely unable to do, unless you tame the appetite of obstinate will. For a soul is not capable of true counsel unless through reason, it has subdued its will to its proper utility. Salvific hardships ought really to be sought much more by a wise man than fatal sweet things. Saddening utility ought to be acclaimed, deadly desire ought to be placed below. Attend to what I say. Indeed, I hear you complaining about the difficulty of the pastoral office, but I see you yourself bringing on yourself the reason of this difficulty.I say, I see that you act contrary to the imposed office, contrary to the virtue of obedience, contrary to mother of virtues– charity– and therefore contrary to your salvation. For since you do not spare your age, since you exhaust yourself with continuous labour, since you wither away a body overcome by innumerable sicknesses, [139] more and more by living without discretion, you continue to assail all these things which were denied to you by me. So, by conducting yourself thusly, you confirm that you act against the appointed office, since just as it is shown daily, beasts seccumb to their burden to whom the vituals necessary for work are not given. Even the strongest animal dies if both the labour lasts for a long time and the work is not followed by solace. Our holy doctors shout, “kill your enemy, feed your citizen”. And you do not wish to kill your out of opposition, since you attempt to destroy both enemy and citizen alike. For he does not overcome the enemy if the citizen seccumbs. For the law orders, “The head of the sacrificial bird, Not wholly ripped off, but wrung at the neck”; you, however, after having despised the law of god, attempt with all your strength to rip the head from the body. But God does not receive the sacrifice, which he sees offered against the decrees of his law. The devil suggested to Christ that he kill himself, saying, “If you are the son of God, cast yourself down.”But he did not wish to fall willingly from the heights, who, although he so loved to give his soul for the salvation of the world, taught that usefully the flesh was to be mortified but not to be destroyed cruelly in the manner of murderers. “None”, the apostle said, “considered his flesh with hatred, but nourished and fostered it just as also Christ did the Church.” He says, “Just as Christ did the Church.” Truly Christ nourished and fostered the Church, not malice; justice not impiety. The apostle showed [this] by following Christ, just as he [Xst] fostered the Church, when to [described] his disciple, to whom among other things, had said, “be an example to the faithful in words, in your way of life, in charity, in faith, in charity” and since his stomach hurt, he added afterwards, “Do not yet drink water, but have a little wine on account of your stomach, and your frequent infirmities.” Thus, the greatest doctor of the Church– after Christ–as even provided for the healthy body, admonish your disciple, [but] do not compell him forcefully to death. He whom also he obeyed and fulfilled the most laborious duty of ecclesiastical preaching and administration not by fleeing and denying, but by enduring and persisting. You also are able to fulfill your enjoined office who plead about its impossibility, if as a disciple of of truth, you agree to obey. If I say to obey the command of the father, if you shall wish to temper submit to the charity of the brothers both you will avoid the crime of disobedience and you will succeed to bear the however great burden of the regimen imposed. And do not marvel that I mention the crime of disobedience, when the prophets suggest this in many crimes, saying: “Since to refuse is like the sin of divination and to wish not to acquiesce as if the iniquity of idolatry.” I command certainly often, that on account of the excessive inconveniences of your sicknesses, which you yourself confess, you rest, withdrawing from the convent for a little while in the manner of other infirm, [140] but you do not. I commanded that you make use of a little more relaxed foodstuffs, and you did not obey. I ordained that you moderate how much the solace of your infirmity falls upon the disposition of the brothers, the charity of whom I would rejoice that it abounded towards you, and you did not listen.If you reflect well, you will recognize by what contempt of fraternal charity it is that you lacked not a little. With the authority of the paternal command removed, charity ordains even to prelates what ought not be despised in any way about the hearts of the faithful and of those living under piety. But if it happens, he is not spurned who is seen to offer words of charity, but rather are rejected those words which charity offers.This, he who spurns is proved to have it in no way. Now indeed, hear from the apostle how fasting or any sort of bodily mortifications benefit one not having charity: “If”, it says, “I hand over my body so that I may be burned, I do not, however, have charity, I gain nothing.”Abstain therefore, from meat, abstain from fish, abstain also if you wish from everything. Afflict, beat, and crush your workhorse [i.e. body]; give no sleep to your eyes, let not your eyelids slumber. Spend your nights in vigils, your days in labours; like it or not, you will listen to the Apostle, and even if you deliver your body to be burned [and do have not charity], it will profit you nothing. [G. Constable. “Monastic Policy” 133, LeClercq, Pierre, 139] Now this is not that the servant is unable to serve the lord, but that he does not wish to, or rather, as a great insult, to wish more to delay than to follow, to wish more to loss your way/ your life than to serve, to prefer to take refuge by fleeing from his face that to tolerate the burdens of his service. But now since I hasten to finish my words, recall, I beseech, your soul from this most beloved intention, strive in a very brief struggle by striving for everlasting repose, do not –like the lazy servant hide the talent [of gold] in the ground [and] let the labour of this present life be modest, if, on account of such things, you persist with mercy regained. And that, by labouring, you might be able to endure, you labour now for an alternate repose, that not just as you have done until now by labouring obstinately at the defect of labour, but by working discretely you strive to come towards the perfection of labour, which perhaps is not long far off.

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